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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Minneapolis and saw Theater of the World, three times. I found it profound and moving, and not nearly as gruesome as the commenters here have suggested (have they really seen it?). Truth is, it can be boring at times. Well fed creatures chill, starved ones are anxious and active, especially when new crickets are introduced. Frankly, I think animal-rights activists haven&#039;t a leg to stand on here; given what appears to be humane treatment and an un-glorified, respectful presentation, such activists might be better served by protesting  zoos, PetSmart, Sea World, and any other place live animals are fed to other creatures. Or is the real problem that an art museum is presenting the kind of predator/prey scenario that plays out in pet stores daily? Which I don&#039;t get: such killing is &quot;entertainment&quot; whether it&#039;s feeding a pet iguana or for the sake of art, isn&#039;t it?



Thanks for the best show in a long time, Walker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Minneapolis and saw Theater of the World, three times. I found it profound and moving, and not nearly as gruesome as the commenters here have suggested (have they really seen it?). Truth is, it can be boring at times. Well fed creatures chill, starved ones are anxious and active, especially when new crickets are introduced. Frankly, I think animal-rights activists haven&#8217;t a leg to stand on here; given what appears to be humane treatment and an un-glorified, respectful presentation, such activists might be better served by protesting  zoos, PetSmart, Sea World, and any other place live animals are fed to other creatures. Or is the real problem that an art museum is presenting the kind of predator/prey scenario that plays out in pet stores daily? Which I don&#8217;t get: such killing is &#8220;entertainment&#8221; whether it&#8217;s feeding a pet iguana or for the sake of art, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Thanks for the best show in a long time, Walker.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CVA, I&#039;m confused: when did the Walker label anything censorship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CVA, I&#8217;m confused: when did the Walker label anything censorship?</p>
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		<title>By: CVA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>CVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If an artist were to use my body for his art, would it be censorship if I were to ask him to stop because it hurt me? These animals couldn&#039;t ask Ping or WAC to stop, so humans did so for them, and their requests were ignored and labeled censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an artist were to use my body for his art, would it be censorship if I were to ask him to stop because it hurt me? These animals couldn&#8217;t ask Ping or WAC to stop, so humans did so for them, and their requests were ignored and labeled censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schmelzer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schmelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, none of these animals are together at the moment. The show closed a week ago. If you&#039;d like to see it, CL, visit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.massmoca.org/visual_arts/visual_arts_future.html&quot;&gt;MASSMoCA&lt;/a&gt; in North Adams, Massachusetts, in mid-March. Thanks for the comments, everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, none of these animals are together at the moment. The show closed a week ago. If you&#8217;d like to see it, CL, visit <a href="http://www.massmoca.org/visual_arts/visual_arts_future.html">MASSMoCA</a> in North Adams, Massachusetts, in mid-March. Thanks for the comments, everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: CL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>CL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok let me get this straight....



White-spotted geckos

Armadillo lizards

African giant millipedes

African emperor scorpions

Madagascar hissing cockroaches

South American pink-toed tarantulas

Ball pythons

2 albino rat snakes (aka &#8220;Bubblegum rat snakes&quot;)

Blood red legged tarantula

Feeder crickets



All these animals.. together??? How is this HUMANE?!?!?! How is this NATURAL??? I agree, there is just no way in H3LL that all these animals would co exist together (willingly) in nature! There is NO WAY OUT! In the wild, a RAT or other small animal being chased by a snake, has somewhere to hide. WTF is wrong with people??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok let me get this straight&#8230;.</p>
<p>White-spotted geckos</p>
<p>Armadillo lizards</p>
<p>African giant millipedes</p>
<p>African emperor scorpions</p>
<p>Madagascar hissing cockroaches</p>
<p>South American pink-toed tarantulas</p>
<p>Ball pythons</p>
<p>2 albino rat snakes (aka &#8220;Bubblegum rat snakes&#8221;)</p>
<p>Blood red legged tarantula</p>
<p>Feeder crickets</p>
<p>All these animals.. together??? How is this HUMANE?!?!?! How is this NATURAL??? I agree, there is just no way in H3LL that all these animals would co exist together (willingly) in nature! There is NO WAY OUT! In the wild, a RAT or other small animal being chased by a snake, has somewhere to hide. WTF is wrong with people??</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Follett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Follett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mary:



Censorship is the suppression of ideas.

Animals are not ideas.



I am saddened that the Walker has jumped onto the &quot;Animals as Art&quot; bandwagon.  I challenge each of us as artists, arts administrators, arts patrons and audiences to communicate and support artistic expression in ways that do not enslave those who cannot make choices or speak for themselves. ( animal or human).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mary:</p>
<p>Censorship is the suppression of ideas.</p>
<p>Animals are not ideas.</p>
<p>I am saddened that the Walker has jumped onto the &#8220;Animals as Art&#8221; bandwagon.  I challenge each of us as artists, arts administrators, arts patrons and audiences to communicate and support artistic expression in ways that do not enslave those who cannot make choices or speak for themselves. ( animal or human).</p>
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		<title>By: Y.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Walker is enjoying all this controversy. If the Walker is so desperate for patrons that it needs to sign on controversial &#8220; artists&#8221; that torture animals, then it&#039;s either in dire straights, or their curator is a media hog working under the principle that bad publicity is better than no publicity. Is Huang Ping the best the Walker can do? How sad for Minneapolis to have such a mediocre art facility.

My suggestion is to NOT visit this exhibit, tell your friends to boycott the Walker. Or take a kindergarten class to the free areas every day, make sure each child uses their public bathroom several times, flushes frequently, and washes their hands under running water for the recommended 80 seconds, brown bag their lunches and snacks and stuff the Walker&#039;s wastebaskets with the resulting garbage, let the kids exclaim in loud, shrill voices how disgusting they think the exhibit is, using those cute epithets only children use. But whatever you do, don&#039;t spend a penny there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Walker is enjoying all this controversy. If the Walker is so desperate for patrons that it needs to sign on controversial &ldquo; artists&rdquo; that torture animals, then it&#8217;s either in dire straights, or their curator is a media hog working under the principle that bad publicity is better than no publicity. Is Huang Ping the best the Walker can do? How sad for Minneapolis to have such a mediocre art facility.</p>
<p>My suggestion is to NOT visit this exhibit, tell your friends to boycott the Walker. Or take a kindergarten class to the free areas every day, make sure each child uses their public bathroom several times, flushes frequently, and washes their hands under running water for the recommended 80 seconds, brown bag their lunches and snacks and stuff the Walker&#8217;s wastebaskets with the resulting garbage, let the kids exclaim in loud, shrill voices how disgusting they think the exhibit is, using those cute epithets only children use. But whatever you do, don&#8217;t spend a penny there!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schmelzer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schmelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi J,

I&#039;d like to see the citation about the misquoting of the Humane Society. Is there a link or a publication?



Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi J,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the citation about the misquoting of the Humane Society. Is there a link or a publication?</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Britton Clouse</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Britton Clouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have several questions:

1. Will the Walker publish a complete inventory of the animals, living and dead, used to create this exhibit, and where they were procured and how they were killed. This includes the pieces such as the elephant and tiger that were fabricated specifically for this exhibit out of cow, rabbit and, I believe, cat, as well as the hundreds? thousands? of bats hung from the aircraft facsimile.

2. How many is too many?

3. In recent years the following &quot;artistic expressions&quot; involvling animals occurred. Which ones would the Walker have NOT approved on ethical grounds and (if any) why not:

a. Toronto- a video tape of a cat tortured to death to be exhibited as performance art

b. University of California- a chicken beheaded with a hachet in art class

c. live fish displayed in a blender with fully operational power switch available to museum guests



A  few comments:



According to Walker comments above, &quot;Minneapolis Animal Control (which provided us with an exhibition permit for the non-native breeds in the exhibition). These organizations both reviewed the artwork and deemed that it was humane and respectful of the animals involved.&quot;

I spoke with the animal control officer who inspected the &quot;Theater&quot; exhibit and she never  &quot;deemed that it was humane and respectful of the animals involved&quot;, she only inspected it for code compliance. Further, had she been aware that the species  might prey upon each other she would not have issed the permit and she was unaware of the extensive

use of dead animals used elsewhere in the exhibit.



Censorship is the supression of  ideas. Animals are not ideas they are as real as we are.



No act of self expression is worth the life or liberty of another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have several questions:</p>
<p>1. Will the Walker publish a complete inventory of the animals, living and dead, used to create this exhibit, and where they were procured and how they were killed. This includes the pieces such as the elephant and tiger that were fabricated specifically for this exhibit out of cow, rabbit and, I believe, cat, as well as the hundreds? thousands? of bats hung from the aircraft facsimile.</p>
<p>2. How many is too many?</p>
<p>3. In recent years the following &#8220;artistic expressions&#8221; involvling animals occurred. Which ones would the Walker have NOT approved on ethical grounds and (if any) why not:</p>
<p>a. Toronto- a video tape of a cat tortured to death to be exhibited as performance art</p>
<p>b. University of California- a chicken beheaded with a hachet in art class</p>
<p>c. live fish displayed in a blender with fully operational power switch available to museum guests</p>
<p>A  few comments:</p>
<p>According to Walker comments above, &#8220;Minneapolis Animal Control (which provided us with an exhibition permit for the non-native breeds in the exhibition). These organizations both reviewed the artwork and deemed that it was humane and respectful of the animals involved.&#8221;</p>
<p>I spoke with the animal control officer who inspected the &#8220;Theater&#8221; exhibit and she never  &#8220;deemed that it was humane and respectful of the animals involved&#8221;, she only inspected it for code compliance. Further, had she been aware that the species  might prey upon each other she would not have issed the permit and she was unaware of the extensive</p>
<p>use of dead animals used elsewhere in the exhibit.</p>
<p>Censorship is the supression of  ideas. Animals are not ideas they are as real as we are.</p>
<p>No act of self expression is worth the life or liberty of another.</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/visualarts/2005/10/28/the-herpetology-of-huang/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz- I agree, but don&#039;t forget to throw that &quot;expert&quot; animal reptile dealer who is selling these poor animals, who is only interested in selling animals for profits, who feeds his vegetarian animals gelatin, who obviously isn&#039;t ethical or moral in character, etc. in with him.



Now there&#039;s a piece of art I&#039;d be interested in.



BTW- it turns out that the humane society is not backing this exhibit up as &quot;humane and respectful,&quot; in fact they say that that was a misquote- as they were misinformed that there would be animals FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES on display and allowed to suffer and DIE!  The officer that did the inspection only stated that the exhibit case met code requirements.



And not that I was a patron of Bruce&#039;s store, but I will certainly tell everyone I know that may consider shopping at Twin City Reptiles to boycott that unsensitive jerk&#039;s store.



Yours passionately,



Another Veterinarian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz- I agree, but don&#8217;t forget to throw that &#8220;expert&#8221; animal reptile dealer who is selling these poor animals, who is only interested in selling animals for profits, who feeds his vegetarian animals gelatin, who obviously isn&#8217;t ethical or moral in character, etc. in with him.</p>
<p>Now there&#8217;s a piece of art I&#8217;d be interested in.</p>
<p>BTW- it turns out that the humane society is not backing this exhibit up as &#8220;humane and respectful,&#8221; in fact they say that that was a misquote- as they were misinformed that there would be animals FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES on display and allowed to suffer and DIE!  The officer that did the inspection only stated that the exhibit case met code requirements.</p>
<p>And not that I was a patron of Bruce&#8217;s store, but I will certainly tell everyone I know that may consider shopping at Twin City Reptiles to boycott that unsensitive jerk&#8217;s store.</p>
<p>Yours passionately,</p>
<p>Another Veterinarian</p>
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