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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;IT HAS COME TO THIS&#8221; (strikethrough) &#8220;PERFORMANCE&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/</link>
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		<title>By: John Minn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-23642</link>
		<dc:creator>John Minn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anybody check their email today? I did get a link to a video showing the end of this performance, looks like the "plants" are there as audience,  applauding and finally taking a bow. I recognize som eof the faces, certainly the woman with the polar bear head. There are LOTS of them, the question is was there anybody real in the audience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anybody check their email today? I did get a link to a video showing the end of this performance, looks like the &#8220;plants&#8221; are there as audience,  applauding and finally taking a bow. I recognize som eof the faces, certainly the woman with the polar bear head. There are LOTS of them, the question is was there anybody real in the audience?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr/Ms Lynch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22276</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr/Ms Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22276</guid>
		<description>Additionally, does anyone want to have dinner or coffee over this discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally, does anyone want to have dinner or coffee over this discussion?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr/Ms Lynch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22275</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr/Ms Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22275</guid>
		<description>Wow I have missed a lot here; I blame not having a day job at a computer.

So mostly because of the directness; here's a response per Lightsey piece by piece:

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Mr./Ms. Lynch, why don't you lay off the scorn and speak more directly. If you'll look again at the other comments, you'll see they come from educated art viewers, not philistines.

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I don't understand why you thought my comments were scornful; they were not written in a negative light at all. I was just trying to investigate and bring up as many simple differences and similarities as I could come up with between the Kitchen and the McGuire performances (without being at the Kitchen).

I don't think anyone in Minnesota is (or that I am? are you saying?) a philistine or is to be treated as such. However now that you bring the notion up, the piece itself was very simple; even Philistine'ian in form. Aside from the elaborate frame including the technology (the Walker [the McGuire, the front of house staff], the technical objects 10 audio lines, somekind of video playback device, a substantial video projector, all the time in the space that the piece needed) I felt like I was watching MTV, the extras on a DVD, or an internet video segment. Never a performance. And that simple form of 'prerecorded something' was only odd, because of the ELABORATE technological and theatrical frame.  I am still very surprised at all the hubbub over "what happened" for the simple reason that the event itself was incredibly familiar, usual, and widely accepted faire.

(let us continue)
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I take it that part of your point is that the difference in audience and venue affected the performance negatively. 
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No, again, I never said anything about negativity, you're wearing arrogance colored glasses.

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Okay, I can buy that. The McGuire is not a big theater, but it did feel cavernous for Wampler's piece. 

****** I said that the McGuire is much bigger than the Kitchen.
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Also, I can see that if everyone had known what to expect, we might have responded to it all differently. 
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Well of course.  All I said was that questioning liveness and media culture as live work tends to pop up more in the Kitchen (because they program and conduct workshops on the matter ) more often.  The Walker doesn't conduct larger artist rearing processing;  if we're talking shows that have been here in similar vane,  two years ago "Superamas" had a similar vibe, the Big Art Group's work some years ago as well, and of course who can forget the behemoth of Builders Association/dbox. 

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But I can't see how this is the fault of the audience. This is a bit like saying the revival would have gone over better if the audience had already been believers.
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Any revival goes over better if you're believers, just ask Elvis. 

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Again, I think you looked my writing as if I was flaming at you all; I was in fact trying to be as un-critical and stilted as possible. Sounds like I failed. I apologize.

Sorry Minnesota; I love you very much (sincerely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I have missed a lot here; I blame not having a day job at a computer.</p>
<p>So mostly because of the directness; here&#8217;s a response per Lightsey piece by piece:</p>
<p>###################</p>
<p>Mr./Ms. Lynch, why don't you lay off the scorn and speak more directly. If you'll look again at the other comments, you'll see they come from educated art viewers, not philistines.</p>
<p>*******************<br />
I don&#8217;t understand why you thought my comments were scornful; they were not written in a negative light at all. I was just trying to investigate and bring up as many simple differences and similarities as I could come up with between the Kitchen and the McGuire performances (without being at the Kitchen).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone in Minnesota is (or that I am? are you saying?) a philistine or is to be treated as such. However now that you bring the notion up, the piece itself was very simple; even Philistine&#8217;ian in form. Aside from the elaborate frame including the technology (the Walker [the McGuire, the front of house staff], the technical objects 10 audio lines, somekind of video playback device, a substantial video projector, all the time in the space that the piece needed) I felt like I was watching MTV, the extras on a DVD, or an internet video segment. Never a performance. And that simple form of &#8216;prerecorded something&#8217; was only odd, because of the ELABORATE technological and theatrical frame.  I am still very surprised at all the hubbub over &#8220;what happened&#8221; for the simple reason that the event itself was incredibly familiar, usual, and widely accepted faire.</p>
<p>(let us continue)<br />
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I take it that part of your point is that the difference in audience and venue affected the performance negatively.<br />
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No, again, I never said anything about negativity, you&#8217;re wearing arrogance colored glasses.</p>
<p>###################<br />
Okay, I can buy that. The McGuire is not a big theater, but it did feel cavernous for Wampler's piece. </p>
<p>****** I said that the McGuire is much bigger than the Kitchen.<br />
###################</p>
<p>Also, I can see that if everyone had known what to expect, we might have responded to it all differently.<br />
******<br />
Well of course.  All I said was that questioning liveness and media culture as live work tends to pop up more in the Kitchen (because they program and conduct workshops on the matter ) more often.  The Walker doesn&#8217;t conduct larger artist rearing processing;  if we&#8217;re talking shows that have been here in similar vane,  two years ago &#8220;Superamas&#8221; had a similar vibe, the Big Art Group&#8217;s work some years ago as well, and of course who can forget the behemoth of Builders Association/dbox. </p>
<p>####################<br />
But I can't see how this is the fault of the audience. This is a bit like saying the revival would have gone over better if the audience had already been believers.<br />
****</p>
<p>Any revival goes over better if you&#8217;re believers, just ask Elvis. </p>
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<p>Again, I think you looked my writing as if I was flaming at you all; I was in fact trying to be as un-critical and stilted as possible. Sounds like I failed. I apologize.</p>
<p>Sorry Minnesota; I love you very much (sincerely).</p>
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		<title>By: John Minn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22145</link>
		<dc:creator>John Minn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22145</guid>
		<description>I took her comment on the NY performance scene and NY and MN audiences being different as just that - they are different, as somebody earlier pointed out, and they react differently to the same stimulus. The defenders of the heartland got their shorts in a knot over that comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took her comment on the NY performance scene and NY and MN audiences being different as just that - they are different, as somebody earlier pointed out, and they react differently to the same stimulus. The defenders of the heartland got their shorts in a knot over that comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Campbell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22141</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.walkerart.org/performingarts/2008/01/25/strikethrough-performance/#comment-22141</guid>
		<description>Which part is the heartland sensibility?

The show I was at did get what might have been the de rigueur standing ovation (complete with stomping, shouting and rhythmic clapping -- planted and otherwise), but it was a little different than others that I've seen. For one thing the average age of the audience was under the city speed limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which part is the heartland sensibility?</p>
<p>The show I was at did get what might have been the de rigueur standing ovation (complete with stomping, shouting and rhythmic clapping &#8212; planted and otherwise), but it was a little different than others that I&#8217;ve seen. For one thing the average age of the audience was under the city speed limit.</p>
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