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	<title>Comments on: Google makes AJAX easier</title>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timely comment by Jen: Michael at TechCrunch was just yesterday &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/06/google-to-add-albums-to-picassa/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;questioning&lt;/a&gt; the abundence of &quot;Google Love&quot; on the net these days...



The best answer I can give is that Google got it right - first - especially with releasing their API, and earned a lot of developer friends.  These days you&#039;re right: local.live.com is very impressive and in many ways better, but I&#039;ve honestly only used it once or twice.  Habit, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timely comment by Jen: Michael at TechCrunch was just yesterday <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/06/google-to-add-albums-to-picassa/" rel="nofollow">questioning</a> the abundence of &#8220;Google Love&#8221; on the net these days&#8230;</p>
<p>The best answer I can give is that Google got it right &#8211; first &#8211; especially with releasing their API, and earned a lot of developer friends.  These days you&#8217;re right: local.live.com is very impressive and in many ways better, but I&#8217;ve honestly only used it once or twice.  Habit, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk about Google maps. Have you seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://local.live.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;local.live.com&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about Google maps. Have you seen <a href="http://local.live.com" rel="nofollow">local.live.com</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 15:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know that AJAX conversation reminded me of this article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/05/nice_discussion_of_ajax_framew.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;O&#039;Reilly Radar&lt;/a&gt;. Basically it draws the AJAX community up into two camps. Designers who like to program and developers who like to work on front end and backend code. Either side is of that community is dismissing most ideas of seperating data from presentation.



Thats nothing particularly new. Web nerds have been hassling Flash nerds about it for years, it&#039;s interesting to see the Linux/Googley nerds mouthing the same arguments Flash designers have used albeit from a slightly different perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that AJAX conversation reminded me of this article on <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/05/nice_discussion_of_ajax_framew.html" rel="nofollow">O&#8217;Reilly Radar</a>. Basically it draws the AJAX community up into two camps. Designers who like to program and developers who like to work on front end and backend code. Either side is of that community is dismissing most ideas of seperating data from presentation.</p>
<p>Thats nothing particularly new. Web nerds have been hassling Flash nerds about it for years, it&#8217;s interesting to see the Linux/Googley nerds mouthing the same arguments Flash designers have used albeit from a slightly different perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Thorson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Thorson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 01:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are going to learn java anyways:)



You should check out flex, with you can create a flash application that talks directly to Plain Old Java Objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to learn java anyways:)</p>
<p>You should check out flex, with you can create a flash application that talks directly to Plain Old Java Objects.</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 21:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s sort of similar, except it doesn&#039;t look like MochiKit generates any code for you - it just provides a lot of nice libraries.



I think the big deal with GWT is the actual use of an IDE.  (Coming from an OO development background I often miss the integrated tools an IDE can provide.  Our current web development practices don&#039;t really lend themselves to this.)



Anyway, back to GWT, Google seems to be gearing this thing up for writing actual desktop-like web apps, making an IDE sort of a necessity.  You&#039;ll be able to attach a debugger to a web application, test it locally, and then &quot;publish&quot; it as a Javascript/HTML page.  I&#039;m assuming the servlets will be developed in the same IDE, which should really make everything super nice to work with and maintain.



So I guess I&#039;m excited, but not sold.  I need to do a lot more research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s sort of similar, except it doesn&#8217;t look like MochiKit generates any code for you &#8211; it just provides a lot of nice libraries.</p>
<p>I think the big deal with GWT is the actual use of an IDE.  (Coming from an OO development background I often miss the integrated tools an IDE can provide.  Our current web development practices don&#8217;t really lend themselves to this.)</p>
<p>Anyway, back to GWT, Google seems to be gearing this thing up for writing actual desktop-like web apps, making an IDE sort of a necessity.  You&#8217;ll be able to attach a debugger to a web application, test it locally, and then &#8220;publish&#8221; it as a Javascript/HTML page.  I&#8217;m assuming the servlets will be developed in the same IDE, which should really make everything super nice to work with and maintain.</p>
<p>So I guess I&#8217;m excited, but not sold.  I need to do a lot more research.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 20:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that anything like &lt;a href=&quot;http://mochikit.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MochiKit&lt;/a&gt;? A front end interpreter that writes javascript for you? I don&#039;t know about those things, I&#039;d rather just write javascript than write Python or Java that writes javascript for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that anything like <a href="http://mochikit.com/" rel="nofollow">MochiKit</a>? A front end interpreter that writes javascript for you? I don&#8217;t know about those things, I&#8217;d rather just write javascript than write Python or Java that writes javascript for me.</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will still help, but yeah, you&#039;ll need to learn some Java -- mostly syntax and some class stuff.  Nothing too crazy, I think it just uses a pretty small subset of the Java language.  Also, on more reading it looks like the server-side calls are handled in servlets (presumably generated?), but I haven&#039;t quite gotten to the part where it talks about integrating with existing data sources, etc.  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s there.



It reminds me of some debates I&#039;ve read about Ruby on Rails: it&#039;s great for &lt;i&gt;new&lt;/i&gt; development, but not so great trying to pull existing sites forward.  Hopefully this toolkit can avoid that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will still help, but yeah, you&#8217;ll need to learn some Java &#8212; mostly syntax and some class stuff.  Nothing too crazy, I think it just uses a pretty small subset of the Java language.  Also, on more reading it looks like the server-side calls are handled in servlets (presumably generated?), but I haven&#8217;t quite gotten to the part where it talks about integrating with existing data sources, etc.  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s there.</p>
<p>It reminds me of some debates I&#8217;ve read about Ruby on Rails: it&#8217;s great for <i>new</i> development, but not so great trying to pull existing sites forward.  Hopefully this toolkit can avoid that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Gustafson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/05/17/google-makes-ajax-easier/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Gustafson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 19:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I reading this right?  If I know nothing about Java, this won&#039;t help me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I reading this right?  If I know nothing about Java, this won&#8217;t help me?</p>
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