Comments on: iPod Docking Station: A Follow Up http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/ Just another Walker Blogs weblog Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:41:08 -0600 walker_blogs hourly 1 By: Art.in http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Art.in Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:39:36 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-41 Thanks, this will be very useful to us for our upcoming projects. Thanks, this will be very useful to us for our upcoming projects.

]]> By: Peter Samis http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-40 Peter Samis Mon, 07 May 2007 17:36:13 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-40 Grant, thanks for the shout-out. Antenna worked with us to develop the Barney tour from interview material we gave them, so they deserve credit, too. (BTW, you can see some of the video clips we crafted from the interview at www.sfmoma.org/barney.) As for docking stations, we were hoping they might be ready by summer, but latest word points later. Perhaps Apple will have a solution come fall. Grant, thanks for the shout-out. Antenna worked with us to develop the Barney tour from interview material we gave them, so they deserve credit, too. (BTW, you can see some of the video clips we crafted from the interview at http://www.sfmoma.org/barney.)

As for docking stations, we were hoping they might be ready by summer, but latest word points later. Perhaps Apple will have a solution come fall.

]]> By: Grant jackson http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Grant jackson Mon, 07 May 2007 15:46:18 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-39 I have been writing a podcast for a contemporary art show we are doing, and have interviewed about 7 artists by phone. Most of the podcast tour segments I've put together are about 1 - 2 minutes. Of course, with each artist I've got a 15 - 30 minute interview, and down the road I might make that content available ala the Hirshhorn . I really enjoyed Peter Samis' presentation at MW07. Peter, your M Barney podcast has been the model for the pilot I am working on -well done! Also, does anyone know if the iPod museum docking station is available through Apple yet? I know it was in the works at MW07. I have been writing a podcast for a contemporary art show we are doing, and have interviewed about 7 artists by phone. Most of the podcast tour segments I’ve put together are about 1 – 2 minutes. Of course, with each artist I’ve got a 15 – 30 minute interview, and down the road I might make that content available ala the Hirshhorn .

I really enjoyed Peter Samis’ presentation at MW07. Peter, your M Barney podcast has been the model for the pilot I am working on -well done!

Also, does anyone know if the iPod museum docking station is available through Apple yet? I know it was in the works at MW07.

]]> By: Paul Schmelzer http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Paul Schmelzer Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:31:37 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-32 Thanks for the tips. Maybe I'll do a longer interview, then break it up into short, topical podcasts. Thanks for the tips. Maybe I’ll do a longer interview, then break it up into short, topical podcasts.

]]> By: Peter Samis http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-38 Peter Samis Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:25:04 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-38 I agree completely. Our SFMOMA Artcasts are 15-20 minutes, but they're made up of multiple segments, each 3-6 minutes in length. We make a bit of an exception for the "exhibition tour" bonus tracks, which are less produced. There we're just getting a voice like Chuck Close or Kiki Smith or Richard Long out there and we figure it's more of a service to publish more than less. But even there we tend to go for shorter tather than longer... perhaps because we're aware of the time famine people seem to be living in! Filtering/pre-selecting is a service we can provide. The Hirshhorn takes a different approach, and plays back entire hour-long interviews and lectures. Listen and see if you like that. Then make your own decision. As for standing in front of a single work, shorter seems to be better! I agree completely. Our SFMOMA Artcasts are 15-20 minutes, but they’re made up of multiple segments, each 3-6 minutes in length. We make a bit of an exception for the “exhibition tour” bonus tracks, which are less produced. There we’re just getting a voice like Chuck Close or Kiki Smith or Richard Long out there and we figure it’s more of a service to publish more than less. But even there we tend to go for shorter tather than longer… perhaps because we’re aware of the time famine people seem to be living in! Filtering/pre-selecting is a service we can provide. The Hirshhorn takes a different approach, and plays back entire hour-long interviews and lectures. Listen and see if you like that. Then make your own decision.

As for standing in front of a single work, shorter seems to be better!

]]> By: Brent Gustafson http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Brent Gustafson Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:09:49 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-37 I'd say it depends on what you're doing it for. For the audio tours in Art on Call, they're pretty short, one or two minutes, which I think is the right amount of time for someone standing near an artwork going through the galleries (since they'll be listening to multiple). If you're doing a "normal" podcast (like a weekly show or something) they can be longer. I'd say 10-15 mins are common. Basically your typical radio or TV segment length. Unless it's in a situation where people want to listen to it fast and then move on, I think the length has less to do with it than making sure you have something interesting to say for the entire duration. I’d say it depends on what you’re doing it for. For the audio tours in Art on Call, they’re pretty short, one or two minutes, which I think is the right amount of time for someone standing near an artwork going through the galleries (since they’ll be listening to multiple).

If you’re doing a “normal” podcast (like a weekly show or something) they can be longer. I’d say 10-15 mins are common. Basically your typical radio or TV segment length.

Unless it’s in a situation where people want to listen to it fast and then move on, I think the length has less to do with it than making sure you have something interesting to say for the entire duration.

]]> By: Paul Schmelzer http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Paul Schmelzer Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:14:31 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-36 Here's a newbie question on podcasting: what's a good length for a podcast? I want to get Philip Bither podcasting (me interviewing and editing, him talking), but I wonder how long is too long. Thoughts? Here’s a newbie question on podcasting: what’s a good length for a podcast? I want to get Philip Bither podcasting (me interviewing and editing, him talking), but I wonder how long is too long. Thoughts?

]]> By: Brent Gustafson http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Brent Gustafson Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:45:49 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-35 Peter, actually what I was going to do at first was hack the iPod firmware to just give me the menu options I wanted, which seemed fairly easy. I had this almost ready to go when I saw your post and Nate's and remembered, oh yeah, Museum Mode! So I'm just starting that now. In some ways Museum Mode is more involved than the firmware hack, but in some ways it's also better (and at least it's supported by Apple! ;). But to answer your question, I think what we'll be doing is more of an "on demand" tour, similar to how Art on Call works. You create your own tour by finding an artwork you like and want to know more info on, and then finding the audio in the iPod that correspods to it (there will be multiple ways to find the same object). From what I've experiemented with so far, I have it set up to play through any audio for each object, then stop. This is regardless of how many mp3's are available for each object. So for example, our Charles Ray <i>Unpainted Sculpture</i> stop has four mp3s associated with it, which are four different statements by the artist about the work. If you select the Charles Ray car on the iPod it will play through all 4, and not stop until after the 4th one ends. You can of course skip forward and back between these four if you like. After it stops it goes back to the main menu, where you find another artwork in the gallery you like and repeat the process. We've also got some ideas on expending the Notes concept beyond just audio or text about the work. This is still in the brainstorming stage, but I'll post about it when we have it nailed down a bit more (all of the iPod stuff is a work in progress at this point). Peter, actually what I was going to do at first was hack the iPod firmware to just give me the menu options I wanted, which seemed fairly easy. I had this almost ready to go when I saw your post and Nate’s and remembered, oh yeah, Museum Mode!

So I’m just starting that now. In some ways Museum Mode is more involved than the firmware hack, but in some ways it’s also better (and at least it’s supported by Apple! ;).

But to answer your question, I think what we’ll be doing is more of an “on demand” tour, similar to how Art on Call works. You create your own tour by finding an artwork you like and want to know more info on, and then finding the audio in the iPod that correspods to it (there will be multiple ways to find the same object).

From what I’ve experiemented with so far, I have it set up to play through any audio for each object, then stop. This is regardless of how many mp3’s are available for each object. So for example, our Charles Ray Unpainted Sculpture stop has four mp3s associated with it, which are four different statements by the artist about the work. If you select the Charles Ray car on the iPod it will play through all 4, and not stop until after the 4th one ends. You can of course skip forward and back between these four if you like.

After it stops it goes back to the main menu, where you find another artwork in the gallery you like and repeat the process.

We’ve also got some ideas on expending the Notes concept beyond just audio or text about the work. This is still in the brainstorming stage, but I’ll post about it when we have it nailed down a bit more (all of the iPod stuff is a work in progress at this point).

]]> By: Nate http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Nate Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:04:33 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-34 I know when we first started looking into additional means of presenting the audio we'd be creating for <a rel="nofollow" href="http://newmedia.walkerart.org/aoc/">Art on Call</a> I did some <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=8">research into Museum Mode</a> - but the project got too busy and we never came back to it. Since these are going to be Walker-owned Nanos, it does make some sense for us to customize the experience as much as possible - heck, we could even make some "pages" with links to the audio... I'm not sure where Brent is at with this part of the project, but we should make sure this is on our radar. Thanks for the reminder! Also - I think Eric will post about this soon - be sure to check out the "Notify me of followup comments via e-mail" feature we just added. Now people can tell if someone replied without checking the blog every ten minutes. I know when we first started looking into additional means of presenting the audio we’d be creating for Art on Call I did some research into Museum Mode – but the project got too busy and we never came back to it.

Since these are going to be Walker-owned Nanos, it does make some sense for us to customize the experience as much as possible – heck, we could even make some “pages” with links to the audio… I’m not sure where Brent is at with this part of the project, but we should make sure this is on our radar. Thanks for the reminder!

Also – I think Eric will post about this soon – be sure to check out the “Notify me of followup comments via e-mail” feature we just added. Now people can tell if someone replied without checking the blog every ten minutes.

]]> By: Peter Samis http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/2006/03/31/ipod-docking-station-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Peter Samis Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:53:54 +0000 http://blogs.walkerart.org/newmedia/?p=173#comment-33 Brent, Will you be putting the Nanos in Apple's "Museum Mode," which stops after each object message is complete, or in normal Playlist mode, which segues seamlessly from one object to the next? Or are you treating each object commentary as a separate podcast (another option for compelling the iPod to stop between tracks!)....? Great you're working on this. Best, Peter Brent,

Will you be putting the Nanos in Apple’s “Museum Mode,” which stops after each object message is complete, or in normal Playlist mode, which segues seamlessly from one object to the next? Or are you treating each object commentary as a separate podcast (another option for compelling the iPod to stop between tracks!)….?

Great you’re working on this.

Best,

Peter

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